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Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. From People.com By all appearances, Carnie Wilson was feeling on top of the world. Seventeen months after her 1999 gastric bypass surgery, the 5’3" singer had dropped from 300 lbs. to a trim 148 and was flaunting her new shape everywhere — including the Jan. 15, 2001, cover of PEOPLE. Married since June 2000 to a handsome musician, Rob Bonfiglio, she had settled with him and their three dogs in a Spanish-style villa outside L.A. She had a well-received memoir, 2001′s Gut Feelings, under her belt and was planning an album with her pop group Wilson Phillips — their first since 1992. But Wilson, 34, wasn’t celebrating. "I felt like a snake that was shedding its skin," she says. "I was trying to wiggle out of it and emerge as this new person, but the skin was still hanging on." She means that literally. Though the former size 28 could now pluck 8s and even the occasional 6 off boutique racks, her epidermis hadn’t gotten with the program. "I had skin hanging from underneath my armpits; my breasts were hangy and ugly," she says. "I would lie in the bathtub and my stomach would float to the top of the water." With the help of a bodysuit, she could fit into the sexy outfits she had dreamed about, but she cringed at how some of them looked. "I avoided sleeveless clothes and anything that would show my stomach," she says. "I felt grossed out by my own body." So on Jan. 31, 2002, Wilson took her lifelong battle with the bulge one step further. In an eight-hour operation performed in the Beverly Hills office of plastic surgeon Dr. Steven Zax, she had the skin on her tummy tucked (leaving her lighter by 7 lbs.), her belly button repositioned, breasts lifted and minor liposuction on her torso and hips. Zax also cut away half a pound of skin from under each armpit. Approximate cost: $20,000 (none of which insurance covered). "When I woke up, I couldn’t believe it," says Wilson, whose husband, mother Marilyn Wilson-Rutherford, 54, and sister Wendy, 32, spent the eight hours in Zax’s waiting room and were there when Wilson awoke. "I’ve never looked down and not had a belly in my entire life! It felt incredible." Deciding to go ahead with the procedure, which up to 20 percent of gastric bypass patients ultimately opt for, wasn’t easy. Wilson knew it would be beneficial medically — the overhanging skin on her stomach, says Dr. Alan Wittgrove, who performed her bypass surgery, "was giving her a rash." But unlike the first operation, which she underwent because obesity was threatening her health, "this was elective," she says. "I was cutting my body open, and I was doing it because I wanted to! I was terrified." Although she came through fine, the experience did have its rough spots. "Afterwards I had no pain, but I was stiff," says Wilson, who spent two postop nights being monitored in a local medical facility. "My stomach was pulled so tight I could barely walk at first." For the next eight weeks she wore a tight girdle around her stomach to protect her stitches, as well as a support bra day and night. Luckily the eight hour-long sessions of hyperbaric oxygen therapy prescribed by Zax and administered (at $250 each) in a cylindrical Plexiglass chamber, kept bruising to a minimum. Though her abdomen, breasts and armpits were marred with dark brown scars that will take 10 months to fade, by mid-April Wilson was exultant. "It’s so fun to be proud when you’re stripped down," she says. "Now I can wear so many things!" Her husband, who supported this latest step in her transformation, was thrilled as well. "It’s like the caterpillar-to-a-butterfly thing with Carnie," says Bonfiglio, 34. "I loved the caterpillar, but I love the butterfly more." For Wilson, the caterpillar years started early. The daughter of Beach Boy Brian Wilson, 59, and his wife, Marilyn, now a real estate agent, she was a chubby little girl, weighing in at 110 lbs. by age 9. "Whenever something bad happened, I ate," she says. "I always used food when I felt lonely or sad." Her weight didn’t bother her much until she hit the spotlight in 1990 with Wilson Phillips, the vocal group she formed with her sister and pal Chynna Phillips. Their self-titled first album produced three No. 1 singles, but the pressure of performing onstage and in videos with her two slender bandmates took its toll. "The record company wanted us to be sexy," recalls Wendy. "It was hard for Carnie." By the time Phillips left the band in 1992 to pursue a solo career, Wilson’s weight had soared to over 240 lbs. After a failed run as a talk show host and a flop album with Wendy, Carnie took up acting, but jobs proved hard to come by. In May 1999 she topped out at 300 lbs. She began considering gastric bypass surgery after TV’s Roseanne, who had the procedure in 1998, suggested it when Wilson was a guest on her show. The 90-minute operation, which was broadcast live on the Internet to an audience of 250,000, stapled her stomach down to the size of a thumb. (It has since stretched to the size of a lemon, but won’t get any bigger.) The pounds quickly melted away, but Wilson’s problems didn’t. "She thought she’d lose the weight, be fine and fly from there," says Leslie Jester, Dr. Wittgrove’s head nurse practitioner, who has become her mentor. "But the psychological changes are enormous." There was, for instance, Wilson’s difficulty accepting her new self. "Even though she looked beautiful on the outside, she still struggled with feelings of not being pretty or good enough," says Bonfiglio. "I’ve tried to be as supportive as I can, to give her an extra ‘Hey, you look great.’ " Says Wilson: "Rob has been really great at making me feel good about myself." Also tough for Wilson was finding ways to deal with everyday stresses without turning to food. "Most of her life, she had food to help her cope," Jester says. "Now she had to cope on her own." Wilson turned briefly to smoking marijuana, which she had used occasionally in the past. Afraid she might become dependent — "I’m an addictive personality," she says — she began weekly psychotherapy in April 2000 to help her quit and stepped up her attendance at meetings of her monthly support group, made up of 20 women who have had gastric bypass surgery. "Some people come and they’ve gained 25 lbs.," Wilson says. "I think, ‘I don’t want that to be me.’ " Over last year’s Christmas holidays, she feared it might be. "I was baking cookies for everyone and taking a bite here and there," Wilson says. Before she knew it she had packed on 7 lbs. and couldn’t button her pants. She panicked. "The weight gain scared her," Wendy says. "But I told her, ‘It’s just a few pounds. You can lose it if you want to.’ " Wilson met with Jester for an emergency pep talk. She reminded Wilson of the four rules Dr. Wittgrove gives his GBS patients: Drink 64 ozs. of water a day, exercise at least 20 minutes daily, eat protein first and limit snacking. "It’s very rare, but you can definitely gain the weight back after gastric bypass surgery," Wittgrove says. "Carnie will have to be accountable for the rest of her life." These days she’s feeling up to the challenge. Wilson power-walks with Bonfiglio three times a week and lifts weights with a personal trainer twice a week. Bingeing on former favorites, like french fries with sour cream and ketchup, isn’t a temptation because if she eats too much at one sitting, she breaks out in a cold sweat, her heart races and she has to lie down. "It’s the worst feeling in the world," she says. She eats three light meals of protein, fruit and vegetables a day and snacks on peanuts, raisins "and a tiny piece of chocolate — it’s my daily fix." Her mother, for one, is impressed. "I don’t know anyone who eats as healthy as my daughter," Marilyn marvels. "Before, she couldn’t wait to attack the bowl of chips when we went to a Mexican restaurant. Now she looks at me like, ‘Mom, control yourself!’" Which doesn’t mean Wilson no longer has cravings. "Getting full fast is easy because it’s done for me," she says. "But choosing to say no to food? That’s not easy, because mentally I still want it." She has tricks she uses to restrain herself. If she wants dessert, she’ll order it, take one bite "and then pour salt all over it before I take another bite," she says. "People look at me like I’m nuts." But pleasing strangers isn’t high on Wilson’s list of priorities of late. What does matter is starting a family someday ("I’m not scared of gaining weight when I’m pregnant — I’ll deal with it," she says), finishing up Wilson Phillips’ new album (due out next spring) and raising awareness about gastric bypass surgery. Since the end of 2000 she has given bimonthly lectures about her struggles in cities nationwide, and the American Society for Bariatric Surgery credits her for helping to popularize the procedure (36,700 bypasses were performed in 2000; in 2001 the total was 62,400). Says Wilson: "I love to assist people. It makes me feel good." Almost as good as being able to slip into the outfit of her dreams: a slinky black halter dress. She isn’t there yet, but after her next — and, she swears, last — surgery, to remove excess skin from her upper arms later this year, there’ll be no stopping her. "It’s the piece of clothing I want to wear and feel completely confident in," she says. "It will be amazing, so sexy. I’m ready to get out there and shine." — SOPHFRONIA SCOTT — ULRICA WIHLBORG in Los Angeles
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Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno..
I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here…. I see nothing wrong with opting for surgery to remove the excess skin. Should she just accept the ponderous, unattractive folds of skin? Hanging skin can actually As someone who has had four ten pound babies in the last twelve years, the skin on my stomach has no elasticity left. Weight loss and exercise will alleviate it a bit but it will never fix the problem. I plan to have a tummy tuck after I lose the weight. She was not happy with her original weight, just like us, only she chose a drastic method to solve the problem. Just because she spent a lot of money on it doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice for her. : ) Just my two cents, Jo
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I agree, I wouldn’t want hanging skin all over the place, once I lost that much weight……Debbie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here…. I see nothing wrong with opting for surgery to remove the excess skin. Should she just accept the ponderous, unattractive folds of skin? Hanging skin can actually As someone who has had four ten pound babies in the last twelve years, the skin on my stomach has no elasticity left. Weight loss and exercise will alleviate it a bit but it will never fix the problem. I plan to have a tummy tuck after I lose the weight. She was not happy with her original weight, just like us, only she chose a drastic method to solve the problem. Just because she spent a lot of money on it doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice for her. : ) Just my two cents, Jo
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here…. I see nothing wrong with opting for surgery to remove the excess skin. Should she just accept the ponderous, unattractive folds of skin? Hanging skin can actually As someone who has had four ten pound babies in the last twelve years, the skin on my stomach has no elasticity left. Weight loss and exercise will alleviate it a bit but it will never fix the problem. I plan to have a tummy tuck after I lose the weight. She was not happy with her original weight, just like us, only she chose a drastic method to solve the problem. Just because she spent a lot of money on it doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice for her. : ) Just my two cents, Jo
Gotta agree here. She did what she needed to do. Those of us doing LC don’t have some sort of divine approval for what we do. I happen to think LC works, but she found something that works for her. More power to her and anyone else who can get healthy and like themselves better. — Wayne Crannell 250/175/155 Atkins+ 10/27/01
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Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno..
I’m amazed that she got a surgeon to do a tummy tuck prior to getting pregnant. Although I probably shouldn’t be. It’s the idea, though, that one time she overeats she "breaks out into a cold sweat and her heart races." Scary. I haven’t been overweight to that significant of a degree, though, so it’s unfair of me to judge. But it seems that she’s still seeking recognition from other people to make her happy rather than just being happy. I dunno. People are weird. Cheers, Nina — http://www.theslack.com Home of Mendoza, the Decision-Making Chicken
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I cannot begin to imagine how it feels to be 300lbs and on top of that, be in the public spotlight. I can tell you that I hated being 160lbs and living in my little world. I am believer in cosmetic surgery and elective surgery if it will make us feel better in our skin. I don’t care what it is, as long as it is an approved surgery. I believe Violet’s point may have been that after going through so much pain and money it seems odd that Carnie would eat chocolate knowing how bad it is for her (though I’m not sure that’s what she meant). Carnie herself admits that she (much like most of us) still has the same demons she had before she lost the weight. I can relate to that. Though I only lost 15lbs and am still 20 away from my goal, I still fight the same demons I did at 160lbs. Additionally, when I was 119lbs, I still felt fat. I look at pictures and see that I wasn’t fat at all. I looked quite good. Perhaps what is needed when such a drastic change takes place in with our bodies is that we work on helping our minds catch up. It’s not easy being uncomfortable in your own skin. ~Carol Ann
: Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it : be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still : doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of : chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. : : From People.com : : By all appearances, Carnie Wilson was feeling on top of the world. : Seventeen months after her 1999 gastric bypass surgery, the 5’3" : singer had dropped from 300 lbs. to a trim 148 and was flaunting her : new shape everywhere — including the Jan. 15, 2001, cover of PEOPLE. : Married since June 2000 to a handsome musician, Rob Bonfiglio, she had : settled with him and their three dogs in a Spanish-style villa outside : L.A. She had a well-received memoir, 2001′s Gut Feelings, under her : belt and was planning an album with her pop group Wilson Phillips — : their first since 1992. But Wilson, 34, wasn’t celebrating. "I felt : like a snake that was shedding its skin," she says. "I was trying to : wiggle out of it and emerge as this new person, but the skin was still : hanging on." : : She means that literally. Though the former size 28 could now pluck 8s : and even the occasional 6 off boutique racks, her epidermis hadn’t : gotten with the program. "I had skin hanging from underneath my : armpits; my breasts were hangy and ugly," she says. "I would lie in : the bathtub and my stomach would float to the top of the water." With : the help of a bodysuit, she could fit into the sexy outfits she had : dreamed about, but she cringed at how some of them looked. "I avoided : sleeveless clothes and anything that would show my stomach," she says. : "I felt grossed out by my own body." : : So on Jan. 31, 2002, Wilson took her lifelong battle with the bulge : one step further. In an eight-hour operation performed in the Beverly : Hills office of plastic surgeon Dr. Steven Zax, she had the skin on : her tummy tucked (leaving her lighter by 7 lbs.), her belly button : repositioned, breasts lifted and minor liposuction on her torso and : hips. Zax also cut away half a pound of skin from under each armpit. : Approximate cost: $20,000 (none of which insurance covered). "When I : woke up, I couldn’t believe it," says Wilson, whose husband, mother : Marilyn Wilson-Rutherford, 54, and sister Wendy, 32, spent the eight : hours in Zax’s waiting room and were there when Wilson awoke. "I’ve : never looked down and not had a belly in my entire life! It felt : incredible." : Deciding to go ahead with the procedure, which up to 20 percent of : gastric bypass patients ultimately opt for, wasn’t easy. Wilson knew : it would be beneficial medically — the overhanging skin on her : stomach, says Dr. Alan Wittgrove, who performed her bypass surgery, : "was giving her a rash." But unlike the first operation, which she : underwent because obesity was threatening her health, "this was : elective," she says. "I was cutting my body open, and I was doing it : because I wanted to! I was terrified." : : Although she came through fine, the experience did have its rough : spots. "Afterwards I had no pain, but I was stiff," says Wilson, who : spent two postop nights being monitored in a local medical facility. : "My stomach was pulled so tight I could barely walk at first." For the : next eight weeks she wore a tight girdle around her stomach to protect : her stitches, as well as a support bra day and night. Luckily the : eight hour-long sessions of hyperbaric oxygen therapy prescribed by : Zax and administered (at $250 each) in a cylindrical Plexiglass : chamber, kept bruising to a minimum. Though her abdomen, breasts and : armpits were marred with dark brown scars that will take 10 months to : fade, by mid-April Wilson was exultant. "It’s so fun to be proud when : you’re stripped down," she says. "Now I can wear so many things!" Her : husband, who supported this latest step in her transformation, was : thrilled as well. "It’s like the caterpillar-to-a-butterfly thing with : Carnie," says Bonfiglio, 34. "I loved the caterpillar, but I love the : butterfly more." : : For Wilson, the caterpillar years started early. The daughter of Beach : Boy Brian Wilson, 59, and his wife, Marilyn, now a real estate agent, : she was a chubby little girl, weighing in at 110 lbs. by age 9. : "Whenever something bad happened, I ate," she says. "I always used : food when I felt lonely or sad." : Her weight didn’t bother her much until she hit the spotlight in 1990 : with Wilson Phillips, the vocal group she formed with her sister and : pal Chynna Phillips. Their self-titled first album produced three No. : 1 singles, but the pressure of performing onstage and in videos with : her two slender bandmates took its toll. "The record company wanted us : to be sexy," recalls Wendy. "It was hard for Carnie." : : By the time Phillips left the band in 1992 to pursue a solo career, : Wilson’s weight had soared to over 240 lbs. After a failed run as a : talk show host and a flop album with Wendy, Carnie took up acting, but : jobs proved hard to come by. In May 1999 she topped out at 300 lbs. : : She began considering gastric bypass surgery after TV’s Roseanne, who : had the procedure in 1998, suggested it when Wilson was a guest on her : show. The 90-minute operation, which was broadcast live on the : Internet to an audience of 250,000, stapled her stomach down to the : size of a thumb. (It has since stretched to the size of a lemon, but : won’t get any bigger.) The pounds quickly melted away, but Wilson’s : problems didn’t. "She thought she’d lose the weight, be fine and fly : from there," says Leslie Jester, Dr. Wittgrove’s head nurse : practitioner, who has become her mentor. "But the psychological : changes are enormous." : : There was, for instance, Wilson’s difficulty accepting her new self. : "Even though she looked beautiful on the outside, she still struggled : with feelings of not being pretty or good enough," says Bonfiglio. : "I’ve tried to be as supportive as I can, to give her an extra ‘Hey, : you look great.’ " Says Wilson: "Rob has been really great at making : me feel good about myself." : Also tough for Wilson was finding ways to deal with everyday stresses : without turning to food. "Most of her life, she had food to help her : cope," Jester says. "Now she had to cope on her own." Wilson turned : briefly to smoking marijuana, which she had used occasionally in the : past. Afraid she might become dependent — "I’m an addictive : personality," she says — she began weekly psychotherapy in April 2000 : to help her quit and stepped up her attendance at meetings of her : monthly support group, made up of 20 women who have had gastric bypass : surgery. "Some people come and they’ve gained 25 lbs.," Wilson says. : "I think, ‘I don’t want that to be me.’ " : : Over last year’s Christmas holidays, she feared it might be. "I was : baking cookies for everyone and taking a bite here and there," Wilson : says. Before she knew it she had packed on 7 lbs. and couldn’t button : her pants. She panicked. "The weight gain scared her," Wendy says. : "But I told her, ‘It’s just a few pounds. You can lose it if you want : to.’ " : Wilson met with Jester for an emergency pep talk. She reminded Wilson : of the four rules Dr. Wittgrove gives his GBS patients: Drink 64 ozs. : of water a day, exercise at least 20 minutes daily, eat protein first : and limit snacking. "It’s very rare, but you can definitely gain the : weight back after gastric bypass surgery," Wittgrove says. "Carnie : will have to be accountable for the rest of her life." : : These days she’s feeling up to the challenge. Wilson power-walks with : Bonfiglio three times a week and lifts weights with a personal trainer : twice a week. Bingeing on former favorites, like french fries with : sour cream and ketchup, isn’t a temptation because if she eats too : much at one sitting, she breaks out in a cold sweat, her heart races : and she has to lie down. "It’s the worst feeling in the world," she : says. She eats three light meals of protein, fruit and vegetables a : day and snacks on peanuts, raisins "and a tiny piece of chocolate — : it’s my daily fix." Her mother, for one, is impressed. "I don’t know : anyone who eats as healthy as my daughter," Marilyn marvels. "Before, : she couldn’t wait to attack the bowl of chips when we went to a : Mexican restaurant. Now she looks at me like, ‘Mom, control : yourself!’" : : Which doesn’t mean Wilson no longer has cravings. "Getting full fast : is easy because it’s done for me," she says. "But choosing to say no : to food? That’s not easy, because mentally I still want it." She has : tricks she uses to restrain herself. If she wants dessert, she’ll : order it, take one bite "and then … read more »
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<< But it seems that she’s still seeking recognition from other people to make her happy rather than just being happy. But there are fragile people who cannot love themselves unless they get the approval of others. This is not just the case with all overweight people either. It’s the person’s insides/soul/psyche (whatever you want to call it) that are so tormented. Maybe now that Carnie sees what she wants to see in the mirror, she’ll be ready to face those inner demons that drove her to this drastic step in the first place. In other articles she has danced around the idea of using food to replace the love she never felt from her father. There’s a good place to start I’d say. Drop the chocolate and back away so no one gets hurt!!! <The Carb Police
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ould it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno..
It’s the money that bothers me. If gastric bypass surgery and the resulting reconstructive snippage cost 500 dollars, I would consider it. Even if I wasn’t that fat, I’d think about doing it *just in case*. There’s starting to be a sort of weird class war/eugenic overtone to these stories. In LA no one admires your physical characteristics, they admire the surgeon who fashioned them. There’s not a single Playboy bunny in the magazine anymore with Real Ones, because Real Ones don’t "look right in the suit". These women glide around their gated communities snacking on thirty dollar nibbles of sushi and getting their whole bodies reconstructed while we slop another box of poison starch paste into our carts, counting calories or carbs or fats when a visit to Dr. Silicon could probably fix us all up in half an hour. It has a kind of…Red Queen aspect to it, you know — the Red Queen orders around Maria, her faithful retainer of 20 years whose budget for sclerotherapy and microdermabrasion went to feeding her kids, but the Red Queen never seems to age, she just pops off to some secret spa in the mountains for monthly resandings. That’s the part that bothers me. With money even your darkest excesses can be erased; you can be forever young and beautiful. Whereas, outside of Oz, we all have to face our mortality and our hungers the regular old way. c Free the Middle Class
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<< But it seems that she’s still seeking recognition from other people to make her happy rather than just being happy. But there are fragile people who cannot love themselves unless they get the approval of others.
My point is that if you solely depend on others to make you feel good about yourself, you will *never* feel good about yourself. It’s a vicious cycle. This is not just the case with all overweight people either. It’s the person’s insides/soul/psyche (whatever you want to call it) that are so tormented.
Trust me, I’m aware. I’ve seen many a casting session of gorgeous actresses to know this is the case. 
Cheers, Nina — http://www.theslack.com Home of Mendoza, the Decision-Making Chicken
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ould it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. It’s the money that bothers me. If gastric bypass surgery and the resulting reconstructive snippage cost 500 dollars, I would consider it. Even if I wasn’t that fat, I’d think about doing it *just in case*. There’s starting to be a sort of weird class war/eugenic overtone to these stories. In LA no one admires your physical characteristics, they admire the surgeon who fashioned them. There’s not a single Playboy bunny in the magazine anymore with Real Ones, because Real Ones don’t "look right in the suit". These women glide around their gated communities snacking on thirty dollar nibbles of sushi and getting their whole bodies reconstructed while we slop another box of poison starch paste into our carts, counting calories or carbs or fats when a visit to Dr. Silicon could probably fix us all up in half an hour. It has a kind of…Red Queen aspect to it, you know — the Red Queen orders around Maria, her faithful retainer of 20 years whose budget for sclerotherapy and microdermabrasion went to feeding her kids, but the Red Queen never seems to age, she just pops off to some secret spa in the mountains for monthly resandings.
Actually, I live in Los Angeles and work in the entertainment industry and while this is true for some, you make some gross overgeneralizations. Not that I find that all that surprising. Cheers, Nina — http://www.theslack.com Home of Mendoza, the Decision-Making Chicken
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Actually, it is VERY common for overweight people who have lost ALOT of weight to have surgery to reduce loose skin. I have worked in hospitals as a medical transcriptionist for the past three years and I have done lots of reports on these operations. I have also seen people who have alot of loose skin after loosing weight. It is not sightly and not comfortable for them. It makes their clothes not fit good, etc. amy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno..
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That’s the part that bothers me. With money even your darkest excesses can be erased; you can be forever young and beautiful. Whereas, outside of Oz, we all have to face our mortality and our hungers the regular old way.
ah…and so shall it ever be. Like the determination to quit smoking (done that) lose weight (been there) or conquor an addiction of any sort (ahem) WE are the ones who decide to smoke, eat, etc. and WE are the ones who must decide to stop. If that can be proven to be true (how could it be otherwise?) then, WE are certainly capable for coming up with that kind of money if it is important enough to us. I’m a firm believer that you should have whatever you want but you better really want what you have! (otherwise that’s wasteful )) says the mom in me. Sure it is a bummer some people have more money but hey….I don’t know but what little Carnie didn’t EARN every freaking penny. Can you imagine what that must have been like to grow up in a house with a gorgeous step mother and sisters and be…well, really fat? Can you imagine? Can you imagine what she did and what she confronted…going up on stage in front of thousands knowing full well she would be compared to her sisters and step mother? I may not have made the same decisions she did or you might not have but I say she is doing what she has to do to get where she has to go. Hopefully at the end she will realize the physical body is not good for much else but tennis and picking things up and won’t IDENTIFY herSELF with her body so much. I dunno though…she lives in hollywood…it is pretty hard to think/believe anything else. K
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Hopefully at the end she will realize the physical body is not good for much else but tennis and picking things up and won’t IDENTIFY herSELF with her body so much. I dunno though…she lives in hollywood…it is pretty hard to think/believe anything else. K
I’ll agree, it must have sucked to grow up with all of the Beautiful People around you. However, it was her *choice* to place herself in the public eye. That’s part of the job description when you’re a singer (or dancer, or actor, etc. etc.) Cheers, Nina — http://www.theslack.com Home of Mendoza, the Decision-Making Chicken
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I weighed 118 lbs from 10th grade until I was about 21 (when I got pregnant). I thought I was so fat, even though sometimes (depending on the cut of the clothes and usually in skirts) I could fit into a size 3. Looking back on that now, I was and idiot. LOL I wish somone had woke me up to how good I really look. I have been an insecure person most of my life though (it didn’t help that my mother was a model for Dillard’s stores throughout Texas until she had my sister). After losing weight down to 130 about 4.5 years ago, I finally became not so insecure and faced the fact that yes, I had a decent body (I am big boned also, so I never look as heavy as I am). Of course, then I got pregnant. <VBG I am more secure about myself now (though I know it is something that I will never lose, the insecurity in myself). I have to learn to like myself before I believe other people like what they see, something that I have not yet got down pat. I also have two friends that can eat 10 lbs of potatoe chips a day and still not gain a pound. They force themself to eat and one drinks Ensure’s all the time to gain a little weight. They are very insecure with their weight and their body (they are both about 5’6" and weigh about 120 lbs). So, it works both ways. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can relate to that. Though I only lost 15lbs and am still 20 away from my goal, I still fight the same demons I did at 160lbs. Additionally, when I was 119lbs, I still felt fat. I look at pictures and see that I wasn’t fat at all. I looked quite good. Perhaps what is needed when such a drastic change takes place in with our bodies is that we work on helping our minds catch up. It’s not easy being uncomfortable in your own skin. ~Carol Ann
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| Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it | be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still | doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of | chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. | | | I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here…. | | I see nothing wrong with opting for surgery to remove the excess skin. | Should she just accept the ponderous, unattractive folds of skin? Hanging | skin can actually | | As someone who has had four ten pound babies in the last twelve years, the | skin on my stomach has no elasticity left. Weight loss and exercise will | alleviate it a bit but it will never fix the problem. I plan to have a tummy | tuck after I lose the weight. | | She was not happy with her original weight, just like us, only she chose a | drastic method to solve the problem. Just because she spent a lot of money | on it doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice for her. : ) | | Just my two cents, | Jo I also agree here. Who are we to judge what Carnie Wilson has chosen to do with her body. I repeat, *her* body. I personally think it takes a lot of guts to go through any kind of surgery, let alone gastric bypass or plastic surgery! I mean, those are big things to do to one’s body! Just because some of us here have lost weight low carbing does not mean that it is the *only* way or the best way to do it. Sure, it is a longer (and some would argue more satisfying) way to do it, but I don’t think it is fair for us to judge the road anyone takes in life. Carnie Wilson is obviously blessed with good healh insurance (for the bypass) and lots of $$$ (for the plastic surgery). Good for her, she earned her money, she worked hard for it. Of course there are some (many) psychological things to deal with once you lose weight. I am no dumb-ass. I would love to be about 80 pounds lighter. But I know that it won’t be the answer to all my problems when and if I lose that weight. I envision it to *improve* my outlook on life, but I don’t expect it to *cure* all my ills. And I don’t think she did either. She did a very brave and drastic thing. I am glad she is okay, and has found a way to take care of herself in a way that she can live with (or is at the very least learning to live with). By the way, so what if she snacks on chocolate every day? Is she expected to live on chicken breast and lettuce for the rest of her life? If she allows herself that little pleasure, has she failed? I don’t think so. (Although pouring salt all over her dessert after she has taken one bite of it is a bit strange, I do admit) But then again, who are we to judge, right? We all have our own idiosyncricies (spelling??) I mean, I would be interested to see how she is in a few years, but so far, she seems to be doing pretty well IMHO. Sharon
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late. What does matter is starting a family someday ("I’m not scared of gaining weight when I’m pregnant — I’ll deal with it,"
she says), Can women who have had bypass surgery eat enough to grow a healthy baby? S
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Think hard about it. This lady has grown up in LA, in the thick of show business, which is so overwhelmingly looks/image based. It simply is what it is. And, having grown up in the shadow of her ultra-famous dad while she was fat, I can see why she had some problems with image. The gastric bypass thing scares me, but then again, I’ve never weighed 300 lbs (most = 184). And yes, with the stomach the size of her right thumb, it seems perverse to be taking up the space wiht several pieces of chocolate and/or portions of dessert each week. This is something she’ll have to come to terms with. Yet, as far as cosmetic surgery, there is no way I’d put up with the hanging flab she describes. It simply doesn’t fit her proportions anymore. Yes, it’s expensive to many readers here, but the kid has the money! I live in Northern California. Various cosmetic surgeries are pretty common, but nowhere near the rate of LA. I’ll never forget the first time I looked through the LA phone book. I couldn’t believe the page-after-page-after-page for two types of services: (1) masseuses (the illigitimate type), and (2) cosmetic surgery. So who wants the flab hanging down? Myself, I’ve has a couple of enhancements that I’m very happy with. (1) most recently, laser eye surgery where I went from a riduculous legally blind (uncorrected) sight to 20/20 in the right eye 20/60 far sighted in the left. And you bet I will have the additional surgery in the left. And this time, when I go swimming and sailing in the British Virgin Islands (next week), I’ll be able to snorkel and *see the fish* with terrific clarity. It’s absolutely wonderful. It’s a gift. What else? (1) Braces to straighten some slightly pivoted teeth. They came out great. (2) Nose job to taper the slight bump off my nose. This procedure was so easy it was riduculous. In and out with a little bandaid, somewhat stuffy nose from the packing 1 week, and voile! While he was there, the surgeon gave me a very small chin implant to balance the profile of the nose. Excellent result; much more aesthetically pleasing. (3) I dye my hair with plant material (henna). No way am I going to be wearing those steely grey strands. (I never was blessed with the soft fluffy, snow white stuff). (4) I’ve used RetinA for many years before it was discovered as a wrinkle eraser. Any wonder why my skin looks excellent for a 52 year old? Still use it a few days a week, supplemented with additional anti-oxidants (Vit C ester, A, fish oils, etc.) in both cream and tablet forms. The tablet forms work for the beauty regime as well as the low-carb regime. (6) I also wear some light makeup and lipstick most days. It’s a beauty enhancement that people agree is flattering. So why not? (5) I’ve also been doing low-carb because I felt like crap healthwise and couldn’t stand to see myself in the mirror (184 lbs). Now, 30 lbs later, I can wear my swimsuit to the Virgin Islands next week and feel confident. Nothing wrong with that. Which brings me to my final point: After I hit goal of 135 (and I absolutely, positively will hit goal this year), what will be the status of my abdomen? Even when I was a svelte, muscular 132 swimmer in high school, tummy did have a slight — kind of cute — roundedness. At 180 it was definitely not cute. Neither were the arms, thighs, chin, etc. So, now at 155, I still have some tummy that doesn’t look up-to-snuff. What to do? First, I promised myself that there would be absolutely no surgery until I lost the weight in a healthy way through improving my diet. When I get to goal (135), if my tummy, thighs, and chin are not what I’m satisfied, it’s off to the liposuctionist I go for some moderate sculpting. (No cutting.) Have no compunction whatever about this. Not for nothing is liposuction the most sought-after cosmetic enhancement done by doctors these days (and that’s nation-wide–not just California). For me, because I wouldn’t be taking off high-volume weight wit liposuction, the procedure will not be traumatic. And, low-volume sculpting (as opposed to high-volume fat sucking) is, in the hands of an experienced, capable surgeon, is very safe. Will I need it when I get to 135? Don’t know. The Bod is looking especially nice, I have good skin tone, and elasticity seems to be far better than average. So, perhaps I’ll be lucky and, at 135 lbs, won’t even feel the need for any body sculpting. But not everyone is so lucky. If I were that 300 lb singer who was left with all that hanging flab, I’d say, "Go for it!" Just my opinion. Wildflower Atkins Induction Since 01/12/02 F 5′ 9" 52 184 / 155 / 135
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I haven’t been overweight to that significant of a degree, though, so it’s unfair of me to judge. But it seems that she’s still seeking recognition from other people to make her happy rather than just being happy. I dunno.
On Dutch tv around new year there was this program of an American lady of some 500 lbs – she had a stomach operation and lost more than half of her weight. She had her skin removed (over 20 lbs) when she weighed around 200 lbs. Scary part was that she still was very unhappy and still searching for a lot of confirmation. What looked like wrong friends, wrong places to go to, that kind of thing. The scary part was the 500 lbs but also that losing 300 of those didn’t help her really. It did however made me very determined to go on with my diet (I’m down from 246 to 204 on my way to 165).
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Actually, I live in Los Angeles and work in the entertainment industry
. I know you do, Nina. c font of overgeneral knowledge
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I’m a firm believer that you should have whatever you want but you better really want what you have! (otherwise that’s wasteful )) says the mom in me.
. Is true what you say, O wisewoman. Sure it is a bummer some people have more money but hey….I don’t know but what little Carnie didn’t EARN every freaking penny.
Yeah…lol..listen, it doesn’t bother me that people have money. It bothers me that we’re entering an era where *some* people can buy themselves one of the most universally coveted things on earth, and *some* people have to decide between that and the payment on their van. My best friend in the world has been putting pennies in a jar since she was 24 for future facelifts and other revisions. It’s almost a new kind of evolution. One day soon there will be no such thing as a rich ugly person, they’ll all get their proportions from their skin tailors and their children from the gene catalogue. If I had enough money, I could be a black man if I wanted to be. God used to dole out that kind of stuff. I liked it better that way. c Manufactured on Earth
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Sharon, I also pour salt on my desserts after one bite. I can’t remember where I learned that trick, but man does it work. At luncheons, I did get allot of laughs, but just about everyone understood why I was doing it. :O ) ~Carol Ann
: | Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it : | be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still : | doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of : | chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. : | : | : | I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here…. : | : | I see nothing wrong with opting for surgery to remove the excess skin. : | Should she just accept the ponderous, unattractive folds of skin? Hanging : | skin can actually : | : | As someone who has had four ten pound babies in the last twelve years, the : | skin on my stomach has no elasticity left. Weight loss and exercise will : | alleviate it a bit but it will never fix the problem. I plan to have a : tummy : | tuck after I lose the weight. : | : | She was not happy with her original weight, just like us, only she chose a : | drastic method to solve the problem. Just because she spent a lot of money : | on it doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice for her. : ) : | : | Just my two cents, : | Jo : : I also agree here. Who are we to judge what Carnie Wilson has chosen to do : with her body. I repeat, *her* body. I personally think it takes a lot of : guts to go through any kind of surgery, let alone gastric bypass or plastic : surgery! I mean, those are big things to do to one’s body! Just because : some of us here have lost weight low carbing does not mean that it is the : *only* way or the best way to do it. Sure, it is a longer (and some would : argue more satisfying) way to do it, but I don’t think it is fair for us to : judge the road anyone takes in life. Carnie Wilson is obviously blessed : with good healh insurance (for the bypass) and lots of $$$ (for the plastic : surgery). Good for her, she earned her money, she worked hard for it. Of : course there are some (many) psychological things to deal with once you lose : weight. I am no dumb-ass. I would love to be about 80 pounds lighter. But : I know that it won’t be the answer to all my problems when and if I lose : that weight. I envision it to *improve* my outlook on life, but I don’t : expect it to *cure* all my ills. And I don’t think she did either. She did : a very brave and drastic thing. I am glad she is okay, and has found a way : to take care of herself in a way that she can live with (or is at the very : least learning to live with). : : By the way, so what if she snacks on chocolate every day? Is she expected : to live on chicken breast and lettuce for the rest of her life? If she : allows herself that little pleasure, has she failed? I don’t think so. : (Although pouring salt all over her dessert after she has taken one bite of : it is a bit strange, I do admit) But then again, who are we to judge, : right? We all have our own idiosyncricies (spelling??) I mean, I would be : interested to see how she is in a few years, but so far, she seems to be : doing pretty well IMHO. : : Sharon : :
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I meant to say I used to since I don’t eat them anymore. LOL! ~Carol Ann
: Sharon, : : I also pour salt on my desserts after one bite. I can’t remember where I : learned that trick, but man does it work. : : At luncheons, I did get allot of laughs, but just about everyone understood : why I was doing it. : : :O ) : : ~Carol Ann : :
: : | Maybe it’s just me..but this article didn’t sit well with me. Could it : : | be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still : : | doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of : : | chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. : : | : : | : : | I’ll play Devil’s Advocate here…. : : | : : | I see nothing wrong with opting for surgery to remove the excess skin. : : | Should she just accept the ponderous, unattractive folds of skin? : Hanging : : | skin can actually : : | : : | As someone who has had four ten pound babies in the last twelve years, : the : : | skin on my stomach has no elasticity left. Weight loss and exercise will : : | alleviate it a bit but it will never fix the problem. I plan to have a : : tummy : : | tuck after I lose the weight. : : | : : | She was not happy with her original weight, just like us, only she chose : a : : | drastic method to solve the problem. Just because she spent a lot of : money : : | on it doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice for her. : ) : : | : : | Just my two cents, : : | Jo : : : : I also agree here. Who are we to judge what Carnie Wilson has chosen to : do : : with her body. I repeat, *her* body. I personally think it takes a lot : of : : guts to go through any kind of surgery, let alone gastric bypass or : plastic : : surgery! I mean, those are big things to do to one’s body! Just because : : some of us here have lost weight low carbing does not mean that it is the : : *only* way or the best way to do it. Sure, it is a longer (and some would : : argue more satisfying) way to do it, but I don’t think it is fair for us : to : : judge the road anyone takes in life. Carnie Wilson is obviously blessed : : with good healh insurance (for the bypass) and lots of $$$ (for the : plastic : : surgery). Good for her, she earned her money, she worked hard for it. Of : : course there are some (many) psychological things to deal with once you : lose : : weight. I am no dumb-ass. I would love to be about 80 pounds lighter. : But : : I know that it won’t be the answer to all my problems when and if I lose : : that weight. I envision it to *improve* my outlook on life, but I don’t : : expect it to *cure* all my ills. And I don’t think she did either. She : did : : a very brave and drastic thing. I am glad she is okay, and has found a : way : : to take care of herself in a way that she can live with (or is at the very : : least learning to live with). : : : : By the way, so what if she snacks on chocolate every day? Is she expected : : to live on chicken breast and lettuce for the rest of her life? If she : : allows herself that little pleasure, has she failed? I don’t think so. : : (Although pouring salt all over her dessert after she has taken one bite : of : : it is a bit strange, I do admit) But then again, who are we to judge, : : right? We all have our own idiosyncricies (spelling??) I mean, I would : be : : interested to see how she is in a few years, but so far, she seems to be : : doing pretty well IMHO. : : : : Sharon : : : : : :
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a firm believer that you should have whatever you want but you better really want what you have! (otherwise that’s wasteful )) says the mom in me. . Is true what you say, O wisewoman. Sure it is a bummer some people have more money but hey….I don’t know but what little Carnie didn’t EARN every freaking penny. Yeah…lol..listen, it doesn’t bother me that people have money. It bothers me that we’re entering an era where *some* people can buy themselves one of the most universally coveted things on earth, and *some* people have to decide between that and the payment on their van. My best friend in the world has been putting pennies in a jar since she was 24 for future facelifts and other revisions. It’s almost a new kind of evolution. One day soon there will be no such thing as a rich ugly person, they’ll all get their proportions from their skin tailors and their children from the gene catalogue. If I had enough money, I could be a black man if I wanted to be. God used to dole out that kind of stuff. I liked it better that way.
Have you seen people who have had multiple face lifts? I believe Mistress Krista calls it the "death sucking on a cracker look." While they may photograph lovely, when I see such things up close look WEIRD. It’s like fitness chicks with breast implants and you can actually see the seams of the implants because they’re so lean. Actually, I haven’t seen a decent boob job in AGES. I definitely am not anti-plastic surgery by any means, but there’s a lot of terrible work out there! Cheers, Nina Full of random bits o’ info. — http://www.theslack.com Home of Mendoza, the Decision-Making Chicken
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I am with you, Wildflower! I believe wholeheartedly in enhancing, altering, removing, increasing…whatever it takes to feel better. ~Carol Ann
: Think hard about it. This lady has grown up in LA, in the thick of show : business, which is so overwhelmingly looks/image based. It simply is what : it is. And, having grown up in the shadow of her ultra-famous dad while she : was fat, I can see why she had some problems with image. The gastric bypass : thing scares me, but then again, I’ve never weighed 300 lbs (most = 184). : And yes, with the stomach the size of her right thumb, it seems perverse to : be taking up the space wiht several pieces of chocolate and/or portions of : dessert each week. This is something she’ll have to come to terms with. : : Yet, as far as cosmetic surgery, there is no way I’d put up with the hanging : flab she describes. It simply doesn’t fit her proportions anymore. Yes, : it’s expensive to many readers here, but the kid has the money! I live in : Northern California. Various cosmetic surgeries are pretty common, but : nowhere near the rate of LA. I’ll never forget the first time I looked : through the LA phone book. I couldn’t believe the : page-after-page-after-page for two types of services: (1) masseuses (the : illigitimate type), and (2) cosmetic surgery. : : So who wants the flab hanging down? Myself, I’ve has a couple of : enhancements that I’m very happy with. (1) most recently, laser eye surgery : where I went from a riduculous legally blind (uncorrected) sight to 20/20 in : the right eye 20/60 far sighted in the left. And you bet I will have the : additional surgery in the left. And this time, when I go swimming and : sailing in the British Virgin Islands (next week), I’ll be able to snorkel : and *see the fish* with terrific clarity. It’s absolutely wonderful. It’s : a gift. : : What else? (1) Braces to straighten some slightly pivoted teeth. They came : out great. : (2) Nose job to taper the slight bump off my nose. This procedure was so : easy it was riduculous. In and out with a little bandaid, somewhat stuffy : nose from the packing 1 week, and voile! While he was there, the surgeon : gave me a very small chin implant to balance the profile of the nose. : Excellent result; much more aesthetically pleasing. : (3) I dye my hair with plant material (henna). No way am I going to be : wearing those steely grey strands. (I never was blessed with the soft : fluffy, snow white stuff). (4) I’ve used RetinA for many years before it : was discovered as a wrinkle eraser. Any wonder why my skin looks excellent : for a 52 year old? Still use it a few days a week, supplemented with : additional anti-oxidants (Vit C ester, A, fish oils, etc.) in both cream and : tablet forms. The tablet forms work for the beauty regime as well as the : low-carb regime. (6) I also wear some light makeup and lipstick most days. : It’s a beauty enhancement that people agree is flattering. So why not? (5) : I’ve also been doing low-carb because I felt like crap healthwise and : couldn’t stand to see myself in the mirror (184 lbs). Now, 30 lbs later, I : can wear my swimsuit to the Virgin Islands next week and feel confident. : Nothing wrong with that. : : Which brings me to my final point: After I hit goal of 135 (and I : absolutely, positively will hit goal this year), what will be the status of : my abdomen? Even when I was a svelte, muscular 132 swimmer in high school, : tummy did have a slight — kind of cute — roundedness. At 180 it was : definitely not cute. Neither were the arms, thighs, chin, etc. So, now at : 155, I still have some tummy that doesn’t look up-to-snuff. What to do? : First, I promised myself that there would be absolutely no surgery until I : lost the weight in a healthy way through improving my diet. When I get to : goal (135), if my tummy, thighs, and chin are not what I’m satisfied, it’s : off to the liposuctionist I go for some moderate sculpting. (No cutting.) : Have no compunction whatever about this. Not for nothing is liposuction the : most sought-after cosmetic enhancement done by doctors these days (and : that’s nation-wide–not just California). For me, because I wouldn’t be : taking off high-volume weight wit liposuction, the procedure will not be : traumatic. And, low-volume sculpting (as opposed to high-volume fat : sucking) is, in the hands of an experienced, capable surgeon, is very safe. : Will I need it when I get to 135? Don’t know. The Bod is looking : especially nice, I have good skin tone, and elasticity seems to be far : better than average. So, perhaps I’ll be lucky and, at 135 lbs, won’t even : feel the need for any body sculpting. But not everyone is so lucky. If I : were that 300 lb singer who was left with all that hanging flab, I’d say, : "Go for it!" : : Just my opinion. : Wildflower : Atkins Induction Since 01/12/02 : F 5′ 9" 52 : 184 / 155 / 135 : : :
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this little pece of the puzzle leads me to wonder if she even paid for the op, or is she just another form of advertisement?…."Since the end of 2000 she has given bimonthly lectures about her struggles in cities nationwide, and the American Society for Bariatric Surgery credits her for helping to popularize the procedure (36,700 bypasses were performed in 2000; in 2001 the total was 62,400). Says Wilson: "I love to assist people. It makes me feel good." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ould it be the fact that someone spent SO much money to fix their body, still doesn’t think it’s good enough but justifies having to eat a piece of chocolate every day or order a dessert in a restaurant? Dunno.. It’s the money that bothers me. If gastric bypass surgery and the resulting reconstructive snippage cost 500 dollars, I would consider it. Even if I wasn’t that fat, I’d think about doing it *just in case*. There’s starting to be a sort of weird class war/eugenic overtone to these stories. In LA no one admires your physical characteristics, they admire the surgeon who fashioned them. There’s not a single Playboy bunny in the magazine anymore with Real Ones, because Real Ones don’t "look right in the suit". These women glide around their gated communities snacking on thirty dollar nibbles of sushi and getting their whole bodies reconstructed while we slop another box of poison starch paste into our carts, counting calories or carbs or fats when a visit to Dr. Silicon could probably fix us all up in half an hour. It has a kind of…Red Queen aspect to it, you know — the Red Queen orders around Maria, her faithful retainer of 20 years whose budget for sclerotherapy and microdermabrasion went to feeding her kids, but the Red Queen never seems to age, she just pops off to some secret spa in the mountains for monthly resandings. That’s the part that bothers me. With money even your darkest excesses can be erased; you can be forever young and beautiful. Whereas, outside of Oz, we all have to face our mortality and our hungers the regular old way. c Free the Middle Class
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